Manchester United and Tottenham Hotspur had contrasting European nights this week, with FC Twente enthusiastically celebrating a draw at Old Trafford while Spurs coped with an early red card to cruise to victory against Qarabag.
Neither of those results shifted the opinion of bookmakers, who have the English pair as clear favourites to win the Europa League in Bilbao in May.
At that stage this is a tournament that would have got interesting, but for now the one thing that unites United and Tottenham is that this isn't where they want to be.
While Manchester City played Inter last week and Liverpool travelled to AC Milan, United and Spurs are on the fringes of Europe.
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