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The North in Numbers podcast: Pubs and bars fighting for survival

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“There’s never been a harder time to run a pub, even before Covid. You put Covid on top and it’s frankly ridiculous.” Thom Hetherington is the chief executive of Northern Restaurant and Bar, the biggest hospitality exhibition in the north of England.

Speaking to host Annie Gouk in the latest episode of The North in Numbers, he added: “It’s a very, very competitive market and pubs are having to be very smart and work very hard to survive.

It’s a pretty crushing time for the industry I think.” The North in Numbers podcast tells the human stories behind the various statistics for the north of England.

This episode of the podcast (the first of series two) explores the state of pubs and bars in the north - from the long-term decline in the

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